Comments on: Episode 10- Midsummer http://ravencast.podbean.com/2007/06/03/episode-10-midsummer/ An Asatru podcast for and about our community. We'll have great interviews, discuss Lore, our gods and goddesses, and anything else relating to Asatru. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:23:04 +0000 http://podbean.com/?v=3.2 by: Alfrun http://ravencast.podbean.com/2007/06/03/episode-10-midsummer/#comment-534897 Mon, 13 Jun 2011 13:22:59 +0000 http://ravencast.podbean.com/2007/06/03/episode-10-midsummer/#comment-534897 It seems as though others have already hit on the Japanese conception of a sun goddess, Amaterasu, and a lunar god, Tsukuyomi in Shinto mythology, but it bears repeating as an elegant example of another culture's gender associations with sun and moon being like ours. I must admit that I hesitate in invoking Baldr because he seems to me to be very Christian-flavoured and I wonder how much of his lore has been changed/created post-conversion. Also, your talk on Midsummer is inspiring and I've come up with a few ideas for this year's celebration while listening to your discussion. Thank you! It seems as though others have already hit on the Japanese conception of a sun goddess, Amaterasu, and a lunar god, Tsukuyomi in Shinto mythology, but it bears repeating as an elegant example of another culture’s gender associations with sun and moon being like ours.

I must admit that I hesitate in invoking Baldr because he seems to me to be very Christian-flavoured and I wonder how much of his lore has been changed/created post-conversion.

Also, your talk on Midsummer is inspiring and I’ve come up with a few ideas for this year’s celebration while listening to your discussion. Thank you!

]]> by: Muninn's Kiss http://ravencast.podbean.com/2007/06/03/episode-10-midsummer/#comment-115839 Sun, 29 Jun 2008 04:53:35 +0000 http://ravencast.podbean.com/2007/06/03/episode-10-midsummer/#comment-115839 I listened to this podcast today and really enjoyed it. I haven't looked much at Sunna and Mani, having focused more on Odin, Loki, and Baldr, and this contained a description that brought Sunna more alive to me. I was curious concerning what you said about Baldr. Is your dislike for including him purely based on the Christian influences? The fact that he's out of the game until after Ragnarok doesn't work for me as a reason, since Loki is out until the beginning of Ragnarok as well. I agree that calling Baldr a Sun God is stretching it, though he is similar to some Sun Gods in other religions. However, I think it would be valid to look at the winter months as being symbolic of the Endless Winter, which is Ragnarok, and summer to be symbolic of that Endless Winter ending. As such, I could see Loki being focused on at Yule, because of his involvement in Ragnarok, and Baldr being part of Midsummer to symbolize the hope and knowledge that Ragnarok will end, and life will go on, the Wheel of the Year will start turning again. But I might only be thinking this way because the other podcast I listened to today was the one about Loki. Sorry for rambling and the long comment. Maybe I should go to bed now. ~Muninn's Kiss I listened to this podcast today and really enjoyed it. I haven’t looked much at Sunna and Mani, having focused more on Odin, Loki, and Baldr, and this contained a description that brought Sunna more alive to me.

I was curious concerning what you said about Baldr. Is your dislike for including him purely based on the Christian influences? The fact that he’s out of the game until after Ragnarok doesn’t work for me as a reason, since Loki is out until the beginning of Ragnarok as well. I agree that calling Baldr a Sun God is stretching it, though he is similar to some Sun Gods in other religions. However, I think it would be valid to look at the winter months as being symbolic of the Endless Winter, which is Ragnarok, and summer to be symbolic of that Endless Winter ending. As such, I could see Loki being focused on at Yule, because of his involvement in Ragnarok, and Baldr being part of Midsummer to symbolize the hope and knowledge that Ragnarok will end, and life will go on, the Wheel of the Year will start turning again. But I might only be thinking this way because the other podcast I listened to today was the one about Loki.

Sorry for rambling and the long comment. Maybe I should go to bed now.

~Muninn’s Kiss

]]> by: Matt http://ravencast.podbean.com/2007/06/03/episode-10-midsummer/#comment-48626 Thu, 06 Sep 2007 23:11:32 +0000 http://ravencast.podbean.com/2007/06/03/episode-10-midsummer/#comment-48626 I for one, realy liked the invocatiom, when I deliver them I get flustered and nervous, I realy enjoyed your delivery I for one, realy liked the invocatiom, when I deliver them I get flustered and nervous, I realy enjoyed your delivery

]]> by: B http://ravencast.podbean.com/2007/06/03/episode-10-midsummer/#comment-45830 Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:47:51 +0000 http://ravencast.podbean.com/2007/06/03/episode-10-midsummer/#comment-45830 Very well done:) As for the invocational piece, if it works thats all that matters. Very well done:) As for the invocational piece, if it works thats all that matters.

]]> by: heathenmomma http://ravencast.podbean.com/2007/06/03/episode-10-midsummer/#comment-40409 Mon, 25 Jun 2007 09:28:27 +0000 http://ravencast.podbean.com/2007/06/03/episode-10-midsummer/#comment-40409 I enjoyed the invocation/meditation, it was a little stiff, but the words definitely had power to them. :) With Honor, Heathenmomma :) I enjoyed the invocation/meditation, it was a little stiff, but the words definitely had power to them. :)

With Honor, Heathenmomma :)

]]> by: Ravencast http://ravencast.podbean.com/2007/06/03/episode-10-midsummer/#comment-40385 Mon, 25 Jun 2007 02:36:57 +0000 http://ravencast.podbean.com/2007/06/03/episode-10-midsummer/#comment-40385 Yep. We missed the boat on the Egyptian role of the sun. Agreed, Shinto would have been closer and more accurate for many reasons. But I will shut up now before going further into areas I know little about. :) We do try to mix it up and have almost equal amounts of Edda thumping (going with the pure lore) and UPG (Unsubstantiated Personal Gnosis AKA Can't Prove It). Yep. We missed the boat on the Egyptian role of the sun. Agreed, Shinto would have been closer and more accurate for many reasons. But I will shut up now before going further into areas I know little about. :)

We do try to mix it up and have almost equal amounts of Edda thumping (going with the pure lore) and UPG (Unsubstantiated Personal Gnosis AKA Can’t Prove It).

]]> by: RaidoHaglaz http://ravencast.podbean.com/2007/06/03/episode-10-midsummer/#comment-39775 Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:35:34 +0000 http://ravencast.podbean.com/2007/06/03/episode-10-midsummer/#comment-39775 Nice little episode, though I think a little heavy on the mythological namecrunching at the beginning. I'd rather hear people's ideas about the myths than the actual myths themselves, I already know them, really. I liked the episode about Loki for it. I liked the invocation, although Dave seemed a little tense, I'm guessing it's probably stagefright, though. I'd have to agree with WonderbreadUSA, the Japanese sun and moon gods fit the similarities better than the Egyptian ones, maybe because the sources are a bit more connected, being from the same continent and all. Nice little episode, though I think a little heavy on the mythological namecrunching at the beginning. I’d rather hear people’s ideas about the myths than the actual myths themselves, I already know them, really. I liked the episode about Loki for it. I liked the invocation, although Dave seemed a little tense, I’m guessing it’s probably stagefright, though.

I’d have to agree with WonderbreadUSA, the Japanese sun and moon gods fit the similarities better than the Egyptian ones, maybe because the sources are a bit more connected, being from the same continent and all.

]]> by: WonderbreadUSA http://ravencast.podbean.com/2007/06/03/episode-10-midsummer/#comment-38690 Thu, 07 Jun 2007 04:48:51 +0000 http://ravencast.podbean.com/2007/06/03/episode-10-midsummer/#comment-38690 As far as the cosmology of the sun and moon deities is concerned, Egypt would actually be a poor example as all the major solar deities in Egyptian mythology are male. The same is true of the Egyptian lunar deities. A more fitting example would be the Shinto solar goddess Ameterasu-omikami and the lunar god Tsukuyomi-no-mikoto of Japan. Also, I couldn't agree with the two of you more about Baldur. His story always seemed a little Jesus-esque to me, which could very well be a major embelishment considering not only the time in which these stories were recorded, but also because of the individuals that did the recording. As far as the cosmology of the sun and moon deities is concerned, Egypt would actually be a poor example as all the major solar deities in Egyptian mythology are male. The same is true of the Egyptian lunar deities. A more fitting example would be the Shinto solar goddess Ameterasu-omikami and the lunar god Tsukuyomi-no-mikoto of Japan.

Also, I couldn’t agree with the two of you more about Baldur. His story always seemed a little Jesus-esque to me, which could very well be a major embelishment considering not only the time in which these stories were recorded, but also because of the individuals that did the recording.

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